Wednesday, March 10, 2010
Unbalancing Society: Where are all the baby girls?
This past week The Economist ran a story about gendercide and the declining rate of female births worldwide, more specifically in China and India. I found this story intriguing because its ideologies I have seen within my own family.
My maternal grandparents so badly wanted a boy that they were willing to have four children at the expense of their savings account and my grandmother's health to attain that dream. The saddest thing had to be the day that my youngest aunt was born; my mother said that when she came home from school everyone acted like it was a funeral and no one actually celebrated her sister's birth.
Now these ideas may be cast aside as old fashioned, or perhaps even as a different generation, but as the article points out, that is just not the case. Education and increased money have actually perpetuated this gender preference, instead of negating it. What drives that? My theory rests with cultural stereotypes runnign deep, especially in Asian countries (and yes, India does count as Asia.). As much as education and affluence can do pull the people out of penury and despair, it can also give rise to attaining aspirations that were previously unachievable (such as having that male son/heir). Ultrasounds are only $12; abortions happen dime a dozen. One never has to see their daughter if they don't want to.
Cultural ideologies and community relationships are intertwined in these societies, so to combat them you have to attack the main problem, the reasoning behind it. My aunt thinks its because there is an obscure religious text where it says that fathers of male children will attain Nirvana. Others keep a more paternalistic outlook, seeing the male child as the heir and perpetuation of the family name. Male children don't have dowries and can keep property in their name. But why, in this time when females have increased educational and ownership opportunities, would these things matter anymore?
While The Economist did not posit any suggestions for this, I believe that these concerns may fall further along class lines. Two generations back, the majority of Indians (85%) lived in villages, with less education and growth opportunities than their city counterparts. But as India has progressed from colonial times to the modern age, so have its citizens, heading in droves to cities, occupying slums and various other ramshackle apartments. Their pursuits are of little concern, but their numbers are outstanding, with only 70% of Indians choosing to live in villages in 1991. Those numbers are growing, and with increased opportunities, there is a growing middle class as well. This middle class is only one (less for some) generation removed from the village outlook and mentality.
It is truly unfortunate that children are manipulated this way, but studies show that female Indian children are still better off than their Chinese equivalents, who are often unceremoniously killed upon arrival. The one child policy has left China worse off for the future, featuring staggering statistics of 123 males to 100 female births. Social unrest is imminent, with increasing males and less options for creating families (who will be their brides?), dissatisfied males will look to something to keep them occupied. Maybe China knows this and is excellent at keeping down rebellions (read: Tinamen Square) or they have not considered a future with frustrated young males itching to break out. The possibilities are endless, but all eyes are on China in twenty years.
As for India, the next generation may hold the key to gender stability. Yet, as more people move from villages to the city, there may be periodic pendulum swings in gender ratios as well. Sometimes you can take the person out of the village, but you just can't take the village out of the person.
"Gendercide: The Worldwide War on Baby Girls." The Economist 4 Mar. 2010. Web. 10 Mar. 2010. <http://www.economist.com/world/international/displayStory.cfm?story_id=15636231&source=hptextfeature>
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Hahaha, loved your comment about China being good at dealing with rebellions. So true.
ReplyDeleteHowever, in spite of theoretical (and probably soon to be realize) concerns about societal breakdown(s) as a result of this new numerical gender gap, there's actually potential inherent to this destabilization that may be being overlooked.
If there are less women than men, that women become relatively more scarce and thus more valuable. The happy fact is that 1:1 sex ratios is the only evolutionarily stable strategy for distribution of sex in a population. What the people of China and India are trying to do is defeat an ESS (which is by definition an equilibrium point that will not be disrupted by a conceivable mutant strategy) and accordingly I think the genders of children being born will stabilize.
When there are far too many males, and thus too much competition, having female children is a far superior strategy to take. There are interesting primate analogs in which hormone levels of females according to position in their social group/troop determine the sex of their offspring, pursuant to specific (woohoo language, 2 for 1) variation.
(Seriously, isn't it cool that specific means "in specific" but also "relating to a species"? How concise!)
Basically if they keep being bigoted assholes and chopping up the baby girls, the smart poor people are going to have girl children and rock out and then build up an ivory tower with the proceeds from their sale.
game theory is the win!
ReplyDeleteWow Nish..good presentation of facts. am going to forward this to some of my friends who may have some comments. As for me I agree wih you that the mindset of people need to change but if education can't do it what can..the sad part is women are themselves perpetuating this crime..
ReplyDeleteWell done Nish. Appreciate your thinking. Science is good as long as you don't create an imbalance. As far as India is concerned, people have started realising the importance of a girl child. And as far as I am concerned girls are the life of a family. I have two lovely daughters. And I know how much Revu is proud of you. Do read my blog too... when you have time.
ReplyDeleteGood job on this one Athena (N) :)
ReplyDeleteIt is a sad state of affairs when education cannot fix this problem. But I do believe all is not lost, we have hope yet! For in addition to the biological self correction theory suggested above by Davis (which by the way was news to me... thank you for that bit of info) by which nature itself seeks to re-adjust the equilibrium of the gender division on a 1:1 ratio, we know that economics also comes into heavy play.
I mean considering that demand is based on supply, the situation has to correct itself ultimately. When all the potential mother's-in-law realise that, all said and done.. now they are in the situation of shelling out big bucks if they want a bride for their son, won't society's take on having girl children change? Wouldn't there be a role reversal where male children are going to be not as favored as female children? 100 to 123 is pretty steep and there is a price that is going to be paid... maybe not today, but the day is not too far off. All this is not to say that we sit back in the knowledge that biology and nature will take care of the problem man created.. we do, or have a duty to do our bit.. but really it boils down to having faith maybe not in the system but in nature's way of taking care of its own?
Sanker = calicut
ReplyDeleteLet me first of all appreciate the person who has posted this profile for a serious and thought provoking issue. The only simple question to be answered is "What will happen in coming years, if there is no gender balance .
The answer is simple, total choas, mental imbalance among the male fraternity, and above all loss of values in human beings.
As per the survery in india, the gender ratio is at an alarming rate. In the state of kerala it was 960 : 1030 (M :F) during 1996 census, the latest census done by govt of kerala in 2003 shows ration for women lesser than males. If this trend continues, a day will come when males will have to earn and give dowries to females to have a family.
The warning is around, its time for all like minded people to put pressure on all scanning diagnostic centers, govt organisations, NGOs, Religious heads .
Go for baby girls , they are as important as the boys for this beautiful world.....Nature only provides, its human beings who think and decide, we have to make a change, but togather, voice this concern in ones daily life, in socities, in get togathers, let us address this concern in our own sphere of life, lets light the message and pass it on in our daily life...only then a change can occur...UN, or the govts may be doing their job, but what is necessary is to take up responsibility of educating in our own sphere of life...
Congrats..I am happy to post my views, as per my friend M.P.sanker who requested me to post my comments on female foeticide. Given the value for women in the society in general and with regard to Indian subcontinent, prenatal sex determination must be viewed as manifestation of violence against women. With traditions, cultures and myths and beliefs associated with a typical indian family, women are frequently pressurised to undergo such tests now a days in india. Selective abortions and sex seletion is common in the modern world.
ReplyDeleteThe psychological effect that goes through in a women and thereby in the society in the coming years is danger to human race, as said by my friend, the male race would have psychological pressures in the coming years, which would result in drugs abuse, homosexuality and rape cases, a cause for mental imbalance among them.
The impact on women as well as the society cannot be underestimated.
Listing homosexuality as a possible consequence of this phenomenon alongside drug abuse and rape is totally reprehensible.
ReplyDeleteUnless it was an accident, and you meant to say "drug abuse and rape are problems that may occur, and homosexuality, though not a problem, may also occur as a result." Homosexuality is not a mental imbalance. Saying so is crass, callow, and totally unsupported by empirical findings.
Shame on you, harish.
Well Paker davis, i think you should come out of your theoritical and subjective world to the real world. The ESS, the case studies is good as far as the academics is concerned, my friend i standby with regard to the usage of mental imbalance that can caused due to the ratio imbalance . Being a legal professional, i get to handle cases where there are forced homosexuality that is rampant among the new generation males. The cases that are registered in police stations in asian countries are increasing day by day. This is "FORCED" . There are few communities in asia in countries like india, bangladesh, pakistan, afghanistan and even in Middle east that homosexulity is forced in orphanages. This is not the kind of study you have had on homosexuality in the western countries.
ReplyDeleteThe birth rate of women in these countries are decreasing, the psychological mental imbalance is caused when there is imbalance in the Male , female ratio. My reference was with regard to "FORCED homosexuality" which does exist in this part of the world . I want you to do a case study on this involving some asian friends, they would give you information that there is a different real world than your academic theoritical world of datas and statistics. Do give a serious thougt on it friend
You had mentioned due to the phenomenon "this may occur as a result" , the consequences of the imbalance in ratio have already started reflecting in this part of the world.
ReplyDeleteI would like to point out few things here, Parker davis commented on drug abuse, homosexuality and crime on women to be reprehended, this deviates from the whole issue on what Harish has mentioned about the trauma that a women goes through during the prenatal test .
ReplyDeleteThe pain that a mother has when she comes to know that she has conceived a baby girl and the pressure and tension she faces from her in laws and husband and society is unbearable. Nobody knows what she is going through. Then the abortions and fear associated with it.
Harish has out of his legal experience mentioned the after affects supporting my view on the mental imbalance that may arise or as per his view, already happening due to this imbalance . These are datas from different individuals and i believe parker davis, the issue on homosexuality is not accepted in this part of the world as it is being accepted in open in the western world. Your saying that "homosexuality is not a problem" There are lot of differences here and there.
Gay marriages are not accepted here, a big debate is going on in the courts between religious heads. Homosexuality may not be a problem in the western world , but here it is a problem,it is a crime, it is a sin as per the myths and religious beliefs pursued by indians. This may be a new information for you parker davis. As per the argument put forward by the religious sect, homosexulaity is treated as a mental imbalance, nature has provided male and female species for having offsprings, homosexuality doesnt happen in animals or birds in a natural environment. whatever the theory or fundas the western world has on homosexuality, this is not accepted in India legally. Harish was actually mentioning the crime or forced homosexuality due to the psychological imbalance . Drug abuse and crime against women are after affects of the imbalance. Which is true, as a media person, i support the reality.
This issue of imbalance may not affect much in few western countries cause of the supply and demand being fulfilled due to migrants from other countries. But in india or china, female foeticide is more due to the fear factor ( that a girl is a liability).
According to the chinese estimates,by 2020 there are going to be 40 million unmarried males,called guang guan (meaning bare branches).A study there says ' A society with a preponderance of unmarried males is dangerous to the society, chinese govt could face problems with homosexuality, crime against women , etc.. Delhi recently showed more than 28 cases filed (per day) in police stations on women , the ratio of Males is very high compared to the females in delhi.The Hindustan times (a narional daily) reported women being kidnapped and sold for huge amounts. As harish said, these are all datas available in police stations and in the courts which are directly linked with the ratio imbalance issue.
This issue has to be addressed. It is a serious challenge, a strong ethical code of conduct among medical professionals is necessary. Diagonostic clinics are paid huge amounts for sex determination.( I had asked one of my friend who is a radiologist, to write here). They have to be checked and monitored. It is a fact that as stated by Ms.athena, it is the educated lot that are responsible for this. Unless until the "fear factor" (that a girl is a liability) is removed from the mindset this problem will not be addressed.
What we need is to address in our own sphere of life. It is only by a combination of monitoring,education campaings,enforcing strong law and punishment , that the deep seated attitude and practices against women can be eroded.
As a media man the only mantra we have is 'KEEP SCREAMING TILL U WANT A CHANGE "
Sorry, I'm a little confused about the definitions being used here. What exactly do you mean by 'forced homosexuality'? Do you mean rape?
ReplyDelete"Gay marriages are not accepted here, a big debate is going on in the courts between religious heads. Homosexuality may not be a problem in the western world , but here it is a problem,it is a crime, it is a sin as per the myths and religious beliefs pursued by indians. This may be a new information for you parker davis."
ReplyDeleteHere's some new information for you. It's idiotic to apply religious texts to criminal law. It's idiotic to apply cultural relativism to criminal law. We'll use an example that you are familiar with, so that you'll not have to learn too much new information today.
Homosexuality was made a crime in India in the year of the Christian Lord 1860 by the British, in dominion of India, by Section 377 of the Indian Penal Code. This Code was found to be mostly unconstitutional by the High Court in Delhi in 2009, which makes your statement that homosexuality is a crime historically accurate but presently utterly incorrect except in the State of Jammu and Kashmir as it has its own penal law, until any High Court of a region presents a finding in abeyance of this ruling. This has, of course, not yet occurred.
Why any person would wish to defend a law forced upon their country by a foreign empire, especially by a representative such as Lord Macaulay whose name is still used as a pejorative to condemn Indians who adopt the ways of the West, is beyond me.
You say it's of your culture, and that I don't understand, but people are dying of preventable infectious disease because of the bigotry of society. They are beaten in the streets and denied recourse to the law because of the deep prejudices of their land.
It was in the culture of the British to devalue persons of colors and cultures different than their own. They embarked on a campaign of terror and thievery that to this day scars the landscape of India. The mineral wealth of India was stolen and spirited away, people were imprisoned or killed for protests, and the people of an ancient culture were held in a state of indentured servitude for centuries.
If it's not fine for the British to treat India as they did (it was, after all, their culture) than it is not acceptable to treat other people in the same way, even if your culture says that it is.
Homosexuals are human beings, not criminals, and they deserve every ounce of respect that any other person does.
Good question lanna. Forced homosexuality in countries like india, bangladesh, pakistan is a reality, the police records on raids done in orphanages reveals, that boys from 5 years to 15 years are forced into homosexuality and made sex workers.The human trafficking (boys, males) have gone up in recent times. They are forced into being a homosexual. Actually speaking raped and then pushed into it. This is a fact.
ReplyDeleteNow, parker davis, i am really surprised the way you deviate from the whole issue of female foeticide to vouching for homosexuals. India is a country of castes and religious beliefs, major laws and rules are framed now a days respecting the culture and traditions followed by the various religious sects. Politically caste based legislatures and parliamentarians decide. I think even Pope would vote against Gay marriage.Your argument that criminal law and religious laws should not be clubbed has no face value here in this discussion , nor your information on the atrocities on human beings in the streets, has any relevance with the major issue "female foeticide" dont deviate from the main issue if you have no valid reasons to argue. If the subject topic was on females more than males, we would have been discussing topics on bigamy, lesbianism , etc...
All research work and papers published on female foeticide have clearly stated "Increase in number of homosexuals among males ( naturally or forced) as one of the major cause ( after affects) due to ratio imbalance in Males and females".
I respect your saying 'Homosexuals are human beings" but whether they deserve every ounce of respect like any other person..well , that is upto individuals to decide, i would be definitely on guard if I come across a guy who is a homosexual and feel offended if a homosexual makes a pass or shows interest.
"Good question lanna. Forced homosexuality in countries like india, bangladesh, pakistan is a reality, the police records on raids done in orphanages reveals, that boys from 5 years to 15 years are forced into homosexuality and made sex workers."
ReplyDeleteThis is rape and child abuse, a completely different phenomenon from homosexuality in the general population.
A person cannot be raped into being "a homosexual". They can be psychologically abused to the point that they exhibit a pathology, but this is not the same thing.
I was arguing on specific point so as to be polite, but now I'll try an alternative.
You said:
India is a country of castes and religious beliefs, major laws and rules are framed now a days respecting the culture and traditions followed by the various religious sects. Politically caste based legislatures and parliamentarians decide. I think even Pope would vote against Gay marriage.Your argument that criminal law and religious laws should not be clubbed has no face value here in this discussion , nor your information on the atrocities on human beings in the streets, has any relevance with the major issue "female foeticide" dont deviate from the main issue if you have no valid reasons to argue."
On the main issue of female foeticide: I agree that the vast majority of the Indian culture as its being represented here is scum. It values men over women. The very things you are defending, the legal foundation as regards the class/caste/race situations in India and the systematic discrimination that results from them, are THE EXACT SAME THINGS as the British did to India. This is not distracting from the point. This IS the point.
You cannot trade the dominion of a foreign government for the dominion of male relatives and call it freedom. Why don't women want daughters? Because those with power, the men, consistently tell them that male children are to be desired.
Here's my view: I think that any person who has an abortion based on the sex of the child is almost certainly in the grip of an oppressive relationship that coerces such an action. When people murder en masse, it is best to look for who was buying their guns.
I abhor abortion based on the sex of the child. Do not attempt to misrepresent my position. I think that men that reinforce this flawed ideal are the lowest form of animal life. They are a group that I could happily see eradicated from the earth. Women are not less than men.
"Forced homosexuality" is rape. Rape is rape. It's not worse when it happens to males by males.
You said:
"All research work and papers published on female foeticide have clearly stated "Increase in number of homosexuals among males ( naturally or forced) as one of the major cause ( after affects) due to ratio imbalance in Males and females"
It is impossible that this is actually the truth. I defy you to show me three or more independently written scholarly, peer reviewed papers that support any of the propositions that you entered as quotations. Links are fine.
I agree to the technical word homosexuality ( as defined by Medical science), whereas the whole discussion from my point of view was(forced or induced male sex workers for males) with regard to the "consequences" of having more males than females in society, . An alternative or means for sexual gratification and that need not be due to Medical reasons.
ReplyDeleteThe crime against children is termed as child abuse, but there are males ( from age 5 to 50 )who are groomed as sex workers for males (They are also clubbed under homosexuals, though not genetically imbalanced )...
In modern socities, you may find homosexuals from the upper strata of societies, who find their own partners, they need respect, thats fine, but there are so many in lower strata of the society(some genetically imbalanced as well as some forced to act like one) who are induced into it forcibly.
Any act of sex against the nature has been condemned by human beings belonging to different socities, accepting or respecting them is not acceptable to any sensible careful parent, imagine if a parent comes to know that their son has befriended a gay, do you think any parent would respect and accept it?
They ( homosexuals, lesbians)may cry for freedom and acceptance, its difficult, i believe no sane parents would allow their children to mingle with this sect, they could be abused or induced into it....,a sane sensible society(which believes in family concept) will never approve a sexual liasion which is against the law of nature, and need not, cause it is dangerous to the existence of the human race itself..
I had taken few extracts from a write up authored by Dr.Indu garewal, on female foeticides and its repurcussions,Senior Medical officer, directorate of health services New delhi and Dr.J.Kishore, Associate professor of community medicine, Moulana azad medical college New delhi , and few reports from television documentaries. If I get the links shall forward it to you.
The "act of sex against nature" that you're referencing is in the EXACT same language as the British imperial law first criminalizing in India.
ReplyDeleteI assume that my parents know that I have a lot of gay and lesbian friends. If I had children that discriminated against people on the basis of race or sexuality, I would not respect or accept it.
Mixed-caste marriages were looked at as crimes against nature for quite some time, no? Interracial marriage was looked at as a sexual crime against the order of the world, too.
When I take all your points and replace the word "homosexual" with "Indian" it makes it instantly apparent that your points are bigoted. You would certainly decry me as racist if I were to have written that no sane parent would let their child be friends with an Indian. Or that the people of India may have cried for freedom and acceptance from the British, but, sadly, the subjugation of the darker races is just a law of nature. Not to oppress those different than you would be dangerous to the existence of the human race, at least if Human Race is code for British.
Do you think that British oppression was acceptable because it was legal and part of their culture?
I think you should pay more attention to my earlier write up. The level of acceptance of homosexuality in this part of the world is not the same as in western countries . So also i had mentioned very clearly , it depends on individuals to accept and respect as according to the background they come from.
ReplyDeleteYou assume your parents know that you mingle with gays and lesbians ( with due respect to your parents and your acceptance level, thats fine from my angle), but you just cannot generalise things and compare it to the rest of the world.
You said ;Discrimination based on sex and race would not be accepted from your side, thats fine, but as far as this part of the world is considered no sane parent would assume or allow their children to mingle with gays or lesbians as most of the Indian family still believes in family concept and would be on guard and warn their children . Gays and lesbians are still looked as a social stigma, and could cause danger to the children.
The latest scandal on child abuse and the huge hue and cry that the western media and world is making on 'Popes shame and remorse on Irish childe sex abuse" is a reply to your acceptance level . When the western world and media itself is divided on this issue , i dont think you have any rights to force your view on rest of the world. Every individual can draw the limits when it comes to acceptance level.
Popes exact wordings on this issue "I can only share in the dismay and sense of betrayal that so many of you have experienced on learning of these sinful and criminal acts and the way the Church authorities in Ireland dealt with them."
Abuse cases have also been reported in the United States, Australia, Britain, Canada, France and Poland.
Switzerland became the latest country to become embroiled when the Swiss Catholic Church said on Saturday it was investigating around 10 allegations of abuse by clergy, including some acts committed since 2001.
Child abuse scandals in the United States about eight years ago wreaked havoc on the reputation and finances of the U.S. Catholic Church, which paid some $2 billion in settlements.
Clubbing homosexuality with racism was most idiotic. We indians are victims of racisim since the british colonialism, The apt reply given to the british due to this racisim by Mahatma Gandhi was 'QUIT INDIA"
You said :
Mixed-caste marriages were looked at as crimes against nature for quite some time, no? Interracial marriage was looked at as a sexual crime against the order of the world, too.
I do not know on what authenticity or theory you have mentioned this. I repeat from Indian point of view this would be the most foolish statement made that 'Interracial or mixed caste marriage was seen as a sexual crime".
Indian civilisation ages beyond 5000 years BC. Since then till now the 'Gothras' Mahasabha system of caste exists , every caste , subcaste had a strong system, culture and principles known as "Parampara" (meaning traditons) , the main reason for opposing intercaste marriage or interracial marriage in this part of the world was due to the 'Parampara' (traditions followed by each caste system) being corrupted or discontinued, if a bride or groom from a different gothra (caste or race) came into the family system.
With the invasions of the muslim rulers and the british colonialism , the parampara has been broken to a large extent, thanks to the big hearted indians who embraced and absorbed all systems into it with the slogan 'ATITHE devo bavah (meaning A guest is similar to God) inspite of more than 25 languages spoken in different states with different culture, its "Unity in diversity" and rest of the world still wonders the unity .
If you get a chance to read 'Discovery of India" authored by late Prime minister Mr.Jawaharlal nehru, you would get a synopsis of Indian civilisation . Its a shame and immaturity level shown, when you thrust your view point clubbing homosexuality to racism.
Dear Sankar and Harish,
ReplyDeleteI fear in this situation that you are, in fact, missing the point. The British subjugated Indian people for hundreds of years because they thought Indians were beneath themselves. Culturally, the British thought they were better than the Indians. Was this right? We all agree, Westerners and Easterners, that this was wrong. Human beings are human beings and deserve the rights and respect of other human beings regardless of their genetic makeup.
Similarly, you are referencing that culturally, you think that yourself as a heterosexual are better than a homosexual. This is where it is important to point out that human beings are human beings and deserve the rights and respect of other human beings regardless of genetic makeup. So by saying you are better than another group of people arbitrarily because of their genetic makeup (because homosexuality has been linked to genetic markers in the human body, and I have the articles to prove it), this makes you no better than the British, who did the same thing to our people for hundreds of years.
Dear athena,
ReplyDeleteIf you havent missed my earlier write up , i have acknowledged and respected the fact that homosexuals are human beings . All i was pinpointing was the acceptance level , the limit to be drawn as far as befriending a Gay.
It would be always on a certain level that interaction would happen, this has no comparison with the way british has treated Indians (Racism based on colour).
Children are one of the MAIN TARGETS of homosexuals, can it be denied? All i want to ask is one question : If my son befriends few Gays and is subjected to being abused, as a parent can I excuse justifying the criminal act as an act done by a genetically problematic person.
As a parent i would look a genetically problematic person with caution with a space. Human being is a human being that part is considered here but depends on the acceptance level of association.
Answering from a parents point of view would be appreciated.
Athena, valid reasons , facts and the truth are difficult to digest. This is way beyond the small theoritical world seen in this blog.
ReplyDeleteIts absurd to link racism with homosexuality. A simple question from a parents point of view as put forward by Mr.Sanker, would definitely choke a parent.
This is what we were talking about, the acceptance level among communities across the world is different when it comes to homosexuality. Gay marriages or lesbian marriages are not accepted here.
MR.Sanker with his 16 years of experience in the media world has seen the darker side of homosexuals, the telecast on raids done in orphanages, homosexual clubs, have revealed the horrifying scenes of the criminal sides of the homosexual world among the lower strata of society (Interviews with victims and their parents is a disturbing scene and to accept "ALL homosexuals and respect them as any other normal human being due to genetic problem is one sided opinion put forward"
Maybe, you are dealing within the comfort zone of few upper class homosexuals who behave decently with their partners, but in reality there is a darker side among the lower strata the poor segment.
Its as dangerous as the drug mafia, prostitution in red streets. Males and cildren who were interviewed were abuducted and kidnapped from different parts of the country and forced into the act, abused . Pathologically they exhibit the same traits of a homosexual out of fear.
All homosexuals will be seen with a suspicious eye (criminals do exist among them), but All whites wont be seen as racist. Never club homosexuality to racism...
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